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		<title>By: Studentdisciplinevsteachereffectiveness</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/an-effective-teacher-in-every-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-77288</link>
		<dc:creator>Studentdisciplinevsteachereffectiveness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe in most schools, student&#039;s adverse behavior affects student learning more than teacher effectiveness.  I have heard some horror stories of colleagues working in very rough districts. Some of them have been beaten; their hair put on fire, hit by flying objects, some incidents taking place during class...  Students have too many rights and they know it! As a teacher of many years at a very rough school district I myself have seen my share of student misbehavior. I must admit, I enjoy tutoring math one more than teaching in a classroom because all it takes is one or two student to disrupt the class and cause other students to disengage from learning. No matter how good and effective you might be as a teacher when there is disruption in the classroom, learning stops! Without getting into my own war stories, let me say this. Other countries which are more successful in educating their children than ours have rigid guidelines for this kind of behavior. If a student is suspended and is a repeat offender, he or she gets kicked out of school permanently and loses the privilege of being educated period. But more importantly students have a lot of respect for their teacher which is fortified at home by their parents. Parents play an important part.  In most high risk schools the parent involvement is almost non-existing. Therefore, students act in an unacceptable way, take no responsibility and parents are not even around to interfere with this type of behavior. For example according to research, students in Japan behave better not because they&#039;re afraid of punishment but they behave because their misbehavior would bring shame to their family. If a student proves that they don&#039;t belong in school, why are we still trying to educate him/her, this child should be left behind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe in most schools, student&#8217;s adverse behavior affects student learning more than teacher effectiveness.  I have heard some horror stories of colleagues working in very rough districts. Some of them have been beaten; their hair put on fire, hit by flying objects, some incidents taking place during class&#8230;  Students have too many rights and they know it! As a teacher of many years at a very rough school district I myself have seen my share of student misbehavior. I must admit, I enjoy tutoring math one more than teaching in a classroom because all it takes is one or two student to disrupt the class and cause other students to disengage from learning. No matter how good and effective you might be as a teacher when there is disruption in the classroom, learning stops! Without getting into my own war stories, let me say this. Other countries which are more successful in educating their children than ours have rigid guidelines for this kind of behavior. If a student is suspended and is a repeat offender, he or she gets kicked out of school permanently and loses the privilege of being educated period. But more importantly students have a lot of respect for their teacher which is fortified at home by their parents. Parents play an important part.  In most high risk schools the parent involvement is almost non-existing. Therefore, students act in an unacceptable way, take no responsibility and parents are not even around to interfere with this type of behavior. For example according to research, students in Japan behave better not because they&#8217;re afraid of punishment but they behave because their misbehavior would bring shame to their family. If a student proves that they don&#8217;t belong in school, why are we still trying to educate him/her, this child should be left behind!</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Ali Fant</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/an-effective-teacher-in-every-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-35702</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Ali Fant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 05:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a false idea that the teachers drive the students&#039; learning based solely upon standardized test scores.  I have been a Highly Effective teacher in several schools and a very Ineffective teacher in two high schools that have failed for years before I arrived and will continue to fail long after I depart.

Districts have tried placing their Highly Qualified and Highly Effective teachers in their lowest performing schools as measured by standardized test scores.  It did not work.  The students&#039; poor performance on standarized tests are linked more to high absentee rates than teaching abilities.

In my district, teachers in the poorest performing schools are now being evaluated on student behavior and attendance.  However, the students who fail to come to school have the lowest standarized test scores in the state.  It is very difficult to teach someone who does not come to school.  
 
We have Highly Effective educators.  We need Highly Effective parents and trudancy officers to insure mandatory school attendance laws are obeyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a false idea that the teachers drive the students&#8217; learning based solely upon standardized test scores.  I have been a Highly Effective teacher in several schools and a very Ineffective teacher in two high schools that have failed for years before I arrived and will continue to fail long after I depart.</p>
<p>Districts have tried placing their Highly Qualified and Highly Effective teachers in their lowest performing schools as measured by standardized test scores.  It did not work.  The students&#8217; poor performance on standarized tests are linked more to high absentee rates than teaching abilities.</p>
<p>In my district, teachers in the poorest performing schools are now being evaluated on student behavior and attendance.  However, the students who fail to come to school have the lowest standarized test scores in the state.  It is very difficult to teach someone who does not come to school.  </p>
<p>We have Highly Effective educators.  We need Highly Effective parents and trudancy officers to insure mandatory school attendance laws are obeyed.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Daugherty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Daugherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kati Haycock
Please send me the research of the analysis of data in LA 
You referred to this research at the top of the second column on page 48 

Thanks
Karen Daugherty
Mathematics Consultant 
Ohio Dept. of Education</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kati Haycock<br />
Please send me the research of the analysis of data in LA<br />
You referred to this research at the top of the second column on page 48 </p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Karen Daugherty<br />
Mathematics Consultant<br />
Ohio Dept. of Education</p>
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		<title>By: TFT</title>
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		<dc:creator>TFT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, spoke like a true edupreneur.</description>
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		<title>By: Simon Jeynes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Jeynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thoroughly enjoyed and appreciated the Q&amp;A with Drs. Haycock and Hanushek. Recognizing that this short article is grounded on a body of work going back two decades is important to realize, given the limitations of &quot;shortness&quot;! 

I would like to suggest that the individual, the school system, and the educational system need to be in alignment. The reason for this is that the top of a culture cannot escape the bottom of a culture - hence the finding that a small group of teachers disproportionally affect the whole of the education process. So we can and should work to improve the effectiveness of the individual teacher but that will come to naught if the whole of the school culture is not addressed at the same time. The individual island of excellence will eventually either be drawn back into the sea of mediocrity or leave to find a culture where they can be their best. 

In our research and working with other research such as Dr. Hanusek&#039;s, we have discovered that improving teacher performance is composed of three things:
1. teacher impact which has three components
     a. the characteristics of professional excellence that each school determines according to mission and to which all faculty commit as the &quot;way we do things here&quot;
      b. due diligence - the base line of professionalism
      c. pied piperism - the way some teachers have that impels students to hang onto their legs
2. commitment, career long and day by day, to professional growth and renewal
3. value added assessment

We add these things together to create evaluation methods that are both complex and simple: a number of different aspects can be effectively measured; conceptually, it is pretty straightforward.

We cannot claim that it makes teachers any better although we believe that to be the case. We do claim that the process centrifugally spins mediocre, incompetent, and toxic teachers to the outside where they can be made available to industry. This, in and of itself, moves the bottom of the culture up thus empowering and freeing the top. 

Simon Jeynes, Independent School Management
sjeynes@isminc.com
isminc.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thoroughly enjoyed and appreciated the Q&amp;A with Drs. Haycock and Hanushek. Recognizing that this short article is grounded on a body of work going back two decades is important to realize, given the limitations of &#8220;shortness&#8221;! </p>
<p>I would like to suggest that the individual, the school system, and the educational system need to be in alignment. The reason for this is that the top of a culture cannot escape the bottom of a culture &#8211; hence the finding that a small group of teachers disproportionally affect the whole of the education process. So we can and should work to improve the effectiveness of the individual teacher but that will come to naught if the whole of the school culture is not addressed at the same time. The individual island of excellence will eventually either be drawn back into the sea of mediocrity or leave to find a culture where they can be their best. </p>
<p>In our research and working with other research such as Dr. Hanusek&#8217;s, we have discovered that improving teacher performance is composed of three things:<br />
1. teacher impact which has three components<br />
     a. the characteristics of professional excellence that each school determines according to mission and to which all faculty commit as the &#8220;way we do things here&#8221;<br />
      b. due diligence &#8211; the base line of professionalism<br />
      c. pied piperism &#8211; the way some teachers have that impels students to hang onto their legs<br />
2. commitment, career long and day by day, to professional growth and renewal<br />
3. value added assessment</p>
<p>We add these things together to create evaluation methods that are both complex and simple: a number of different aspects can be effectively measured; conceptually, it is pretty straightforward.</p>
<p>We cannot claim that it makes teachers any better although we believe that to be the case. We do claim that the process centrifugally spins mediocre, incompetent, and toxic teachers to the outside where they can be made available to industry. This, in and of itself, moves the bottom of the culture up thus empowering and freeing the top. </p>
<p>Simon Jeynes, Independent School Management<br />
<a href="mailto:sjeynes@isminc.com">sjeynes@isminc.com</a><br />
isminc.com</p>
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		<title>By: stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we have to respect our teachers and try to follow them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we have to respect our teachers and try to follow them</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Stang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl Stang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bruno,

I disagree.  When everyone who cares enough and has the resources, the parents involved, the school teachers who  are in a good school/district, and everyone who is lucky enough to be advantaged exits the current schools, who will teach those other children? 

We already have cities and states that can&#039;t even graduate 50% of their population on time!

The rich get richer, and the poor get the picture.  This is a public community service, and unless we act publicly, we will only disintegrate even faster than we currently are doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bruno,</p>
<p>I disagree.  When everyone who cares enough and has the resources, the parents involved, the school teachers who  are in a good school/district, and everyone who is lucky enough to be advantaged exits the current schools, who will teach those other children? </p>
<p>We already have cities and states that can&#8217;t even graduate 50% of their population on time!</p>
<p>The rich get richer, and the poor get the picture.  This is a public community service, and unless we act publicly, we will only disintegrate even faster than we currently are doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno Behrend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruno Behrend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 04:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to stop focusing on the teacher and have all the money follow effective and popular educational services.

This is done by placing the money in the hands of the consumer, not by fretting over creating the best &quot;teacher-centric&quot; schema.

We have spent the last 50-70 years focusing on the system, and the system has only become more cumbersome an ineffective.  It is time to allow the consumers to spontaneously order the education space.  The controlled chaos hasn&#039;t worked.

Will it be perfect? No.  Will it easily outperform the existing system.  Almost certainly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to stop focusing on the teacher and have all the money follow effective and popular educational services.</p>
<p>This is done by placing the money in the hands of the consumer, not by fretting over creating the best &#8220;teacher-centric&#8221; schema.</p>
<p>We have spent the last 50-70 years focusing on the system, and the system has only become more cumbersome an ineffective.  It is time to allow the consumers to spontaneously order the education space.  The controlled chaos hasn&#8217;t worked.</p>
<p>Will it be perfect? No.  Will it easily outperform the existing system.  Almost certainly.</p>
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		<title>By: OSHA 10 Hour Courses</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/an-effective-teacher-in-every-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-8094</link>
		<dc:creator>OSHA 10 Hour Courses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is always required that teacher improve his abilities and capabilities for strengthen his current knowledge. I accept and admit the reality that for effective teaching, teacher always improves his attitude, behavior, sincerity and devotion with this holy profession as well education &amp; experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is always required that teacher improve his abilities and capabilities for strengthen his current knowledge. I accept and admit the reality that for effective teaching, teacher always improves his attitude, behavior, sincerity and devotion with this holy profession as well education &amp; experience.</p>
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		<title>By: andrei radulescu-banu</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/an-effective-teacher-in-every-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-8042</link>
		<dc:creator>andrei radulescu-banu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kati and Eric, thank you for a most interesting overview of the issues surrounding teacher effectiveness. It is striking to find that masters&#039; degrees and even states certifications have no overall impact on teacher effectiveness - and that instead the best predictor of effectiveness is whether the teacher has taught for more than three years.

A lot of education policy rides on the assumption that masters&#039; degrees in education schools improve teacher effectiveness. In your conversation, I presume you refer to master degrees in education schools, as opposed to master degrees in specialized disciplines like math, physics, English language etc. I also assume this refers to elementary and middle school teachers, which are very unlikely to have specialized master degrees.

But I have a few questions on the issue of measuring teacher quality. I am not persuaded by the argument that the best way to measure teacher quality lies in measure effectiveness, presumably vis-a-vis standardized tests. Here are my concerns:

One, rewarding teachers based on the test results of the students creates a perverse incentive for teachers to focus more on test preparation for their students - the well known &#039;teaching to the test&#039; syndrome. This is done at the expense of a more forward-looking, structural preparation with a view of the material likely to be useful in future years - but less likely to show up on the test in the current year.

For example, in elementary math grades, students are rarely taught to express themselves in a formally correct mathematical way - because the payoff in grades 1-5 standardized tests for correct formal math is negligible. This becomes an issue for students in high school - by which time it is too late to correct the problem.

Second concern, there are examples of state standardized tests where student average performance increases, while score on the NAEP remains flat. It is, therefore, the case that some of the standardized tests cannot be trusted as an accurate measure of teacher effectiveness.

Third concern, not all disciplines can be tested. Take the example of history - there is a lot of disagreements about what the school standards should be (see the Texas school board dispute on the history standards as an example), let alone what should be tested.

Fourth concern, the standardized nature of the test requires the use of too many multiple choice questions. This is understandable, because on one hand open-ended questions are more costly to grade, and on the other, they are more subjective to grade. But test preparation for multiple-choice questions has little educational value - except that it does help beef up the student test scores.  This leads to a guess-and-don&#039;t-care mentality on the part of the students.

Incidentally, note that open-ended questions, if not carefully formulated, can sometimes elicit student preparation strategies that are just as formulaic as those for multiple-choice questions.

Now I am not writing all this simply to criticize the idea that students need to be tested, and that teacher quality cannot be objectively measured. But I would prefer an approach where tests are designed in such a way that &#039;teaching to the test&#039; has educational value in itself. And I would like to see curricula truly aligned with the tests.

And in what regards teacher quality and bonus reward, I think the best system would institute periodic testing on the teachers themselves in academic subject matter - for each teacher, every three years an MTEL-like test with permanent salary increase tied in part to the actual test results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kati and Eric, thank you for a most interesting overview of the issues surrounding teacher effectiveness. It is striking to find that masters&#8217; degrees and even states certifications have no overall impact on teacher effectiveness &#8211; and that instead the best predictor of effectiveness is whether the teacher has taught for more than three years.</p>
<p>A lot of education policy rides on the assumption that masters&#8217; degrees in education schools improve teacher effectiveness. In your conversation, I presume you refer to master degrees in education schools, as opposed to master degrees in specialized disciplines like math, physics, English language etc. I also assume this refers to elementary and middle school teachers, which are very unlikely to have specialized master degrees.</p>
<p>But I have a few questions on the issue of measuring teacher quality. I am not persuaded by the argument that the best way to measure teacher quality lies in measure effectiveness, presumably vis-a-vis standardized tests. Here are my concerns:</p>
<p>One, rewarding teachers based on the test results of the students creates a perverse incentive for teachers to focus more on test preparation for their students &#8211; the well known &#8216;teaching to the test&#8217; syndrome. This is done at the expense of a more forward-looking, structural preparation with a view of the material likely to be useful in future years &#8211; but less likely to show up on the test in the current year.</p>
<p>For example, in elementary math grades, students are rarely taught to express themselves in a formally correct mathematical way &#8211; because the payoff in grades 1-5 standardized tests for correct formal math is negligible. This becomes an issue for students in high school &#8211; by which time it is too late to correct the problem.</p>
<p>Second concern, there are examples of state standardized tests where student average performance increases, while score on the NAEP remains flat. It is, therefore, the case that some of the standardized tests cannot be trusted as an accurate measure of teacher effectiveness.</p>
<p>Third concern, not all disciplines can be tested. Take the example of history &#8211; there is a lot of disagreements about what the school standards should be (see the Texas school board dispute on the history standards as an example), let alone what should be tested.</p>
<p>Fourth concern, the standardized nature of the test requires the use of too many multiple choice questions. This is understandable, because on one hand open-ended questions are more costly to grade, and on the other, they are more subjective to grade. But test preparation for multiple-choice questions has little educational value &#8211; except that it does help beef up the student test scores.  This leads to a guess-and-don&#8217;t-care mentality on the part of the students.</p>
<p>Incidentally, note that open-ended questions, if not carefully formulated, can sometimes elicit student preparation strategies that are just as formulaic as those for multiple-choice questions.</p>
<p>Now I am not writing all this simply to criticize the idea that students need to be tested, and that teacher quality cannot be objectively measured. But I would prefer an approach where tests are designed in such a way that &#8216;teaching to the test&#8217; has educational value in itself. And I would like to see curricula truly aligned with the tests.</p>
<p>And in what regards teacher quality and bonus reward, I think the best system would institute periodic testing on the teachers themselves in academic subject matter &#8211; for each teacher, every three years an MTEL-like test with permanent salary increase tied in part to the actual test results.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Hanushek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Hanushek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems very clear that working conditions are very important and that a school’s leadership is a central piece.  And, if we wish to improve schools serving disadvantaged students, we cannot ignore these issues.  Thus, the evaluation and reward system for principals should mirror any evaluation and reward system for teachers – so that everybody is working toward common goals.  This having been said, if we ignore teacher effectiveness, we have little hope of improving our schools – those serving disadvantaged as well as more advantaged students.

The current research suggests that a major problem is a small set of very ineffective teachers.  These are teachers who are harming kids, placing them at a lifetime disadvantage.  And these are teachers who are consistently known and recognized – by principals, teachers, and parents.  Replacing the bottom teachers with average teachers would yield a real transformation.  It would be nice to replace them with exceptional teachers, but we do not know how to do that consistently, and we reap the largest gains by ensuring that ineffective teachers do not stay in the classroom for very long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems very clear that working conditions are very important and that a school’s leadership is a central piece.  And, if we wish to improve schools serving disadvantaged students, we cannot ignore these issues.  Thus, the evaluation and reward system for principals should mirror any evaluation and reward system for teachers – so that everybody is working toward common goals.  This having been said, if we ignore teacher effectiveness, we have little hope of improving our schools – those serving disadvantaged as well as more advantaged students.</p>
<p>The current research suggests that a major problem is a small set of very ineffective teachers.  These are teachers who are harming kids, placing them at a lifetime disadvantage.  And these are teachers who are consistently known and recognized – by principals, teachers, and parents.  Replacing the bottom teachers with average teachers would yield a real transformation.  It would be nice to replace them with exceptional teachers, but we do not know how to do that consistently, and we reap the largest gains by ensuring that ineffective teachers do not stay in the classroom for very long.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 05:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most inner city schools are hard to staff because they have ineffective leadership teams who, over many years, have not done a good job of developing teachers and holding them accountable.    

What holds effective teachers from going to hard to staff schools are the low quality leaders and instructional teams those leaders have built over time. By offering higher salaries by school we would  in effect be trying to bribe a teacher into working for a ineffective boss and with uninspiring colleagues.  Effective teachers, however have their pick of principals to work for know this.  Perhaps that is why CMS and others have found that they have to pay such a high amount to get teachers to transfer to hard to staff schools. 

Another strike against offering higher salaries by school is that doing so is strategically incoherent.  If you believe it is up to the principal to build their teams and you hold them accountable for their results, then offering salaries to entice teachers to transfer out of their and into another school does a disservice to that principal of the school the teacher is leaving. 

A final strike against offering higher salaries for teaching in “hard to staff” schools is that any policy that in effect focuses on cutting up the pie but not growing it is doomed to create turf wars – parents whose loose an effective teacher to another school are likely to be angry. 

To get better quality teachers in &quot;hard to staff&quot; schools, district leaders need to turn over the ineffective leadership teams in those schools and outplace persistent underperforming teachers in those schools.  Then they can offer new recruits small, one-time bonus to come work for new leaders who have the building “under new management”. 

Policy levers cannot solve this.  This is a management problem.   Both KH and EH mention the need for &quot;willpowere&quot;.  So the key question is, what is holding district leaders back from doing what is outline above?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most inner city schools are hard to staff because they have ineffective leadership teams who, over many years, have not done a good job of developing teachers and holding them accountable.    </p>
<p>What holds effective teachers from going to hard to staff schools are the low quality leaders and instructional teams those leaders have built over time. By offering higher salaries by school we would  in effect be trying to bribe a teacher into working for a ineffective boss and with uninspiring colleagues.  Effective teachers, however have their pick of principals to work for know this.  Perhaps that is why CMS and others have found that they have to pay such a high amount to get teachers to transfer to hard to staff schools. </p>
<p>Another strike against offering higher salaries by school is that doing so is strategically incoherent.  If you believe it is up to the principal to build their teams and you hold them accountable for their results, then offering salaries to entice teachers to transfer out of their and into another school does a disservice to that principal of the school the teacher is leaving. </p>
<p>A final strike against offering higher salaries for teaching in “hard to staff” schools is that any policy that in effect focuses on cutting up the pie but not growing it is doomed to create turf wars – parents whose loose an effective teacher to another school are likely to be angry. </p>
<p>To get better quality teachers in &#8220;hard to staff&#8221; schools, district leaders need to turn over the ineffective leadership teams in those schools and outplace persistent underperforming teachers in those schools.  Then they can offer new recruits small, one-time bonus to come work for new leaders who have the building “under new management”. </p>
<p>Policy levers cannot solve this.  This is a management problem.   Both KH and EH mention the need for &#8220;willpowere&#8221;.  So the key question is, what is holding district leaders back from doing what is outline above?</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B. Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the basic problems and needs, I think there&#039;s much agreement.  The non-stop focus on test results is extremely misguided, and supported by a whole host of faulty assumptions about students, teachers, and schools.  The idea of recruiting great teachers to replace bad ones is also flawed, though not as deeply.  A better strategy would be to improve work conditions and training to build and sustain effective teachers.  I may be highly effective in my current setting, and much less effective in a different one - especially if thrust into a workplace that is not as functional and supportive.  

For more classroom-based perspectives on evaluation and VAM, please see http://wp.me/pPltP-2d - and related posts at InterACT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the basic problems and needs, I think there&#8217;s much agreement.  The non-stop focus on test results is extremely misguided, and supported by a whole host of faulty assumptions about students, teachers, and schools.  The idea of recruiting great teachers to replace bad ones is also flawed, though not as deeply.  A better strategy would be to improve work conditions and training to build and sustain effective teachers.  I may be highly effective in my current setting, and much less effective in a different one &#8211; especially if thrust into a workplace that is not as functional and supportive.  </p>
<p>For more classroom-based perspectives on evaluation and VAM, please see <a href="http://wp.me/pPltP-2d" rel="nofollow">http://wp.me/pPltP-2d</a> &#8211; and related posts at InterACT.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashid klasra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rashid klasra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is always required that teacher improve his abilities and capabilities for strengthen his current knowledge. I accept and admit the reality that for effective teaching, teacher always improves his attitude, behavior, sincerity and devotion with this holy profession as well education &amp; experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is always required that teacher improve his abilities and capabilities for strengthen his current knowledge. I accept and admit the reality that for effective teaching, teacher always improves his attitude, behavior, sincerity and devotion with this holy profession as well education &amp; experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Muench</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Muench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How certain was the study of the Tennessee VAAS that it was making statements about teachers and not students?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How certain was the study of the Tennessee VAAS that it was making statements about teachers and not students?</p>
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