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		<title>By: When Will Jesse Jackson Show Up for School Reform? &#124; Dropout Nation: Coverage of the Reform of American Public Education Edited by RiShawn Biddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>When Will Jesse Jackson Show Up for School Reform? &#124; Dropout Nation: Coverage of the Reform of American Public Education Edited by RiShawn Biddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 18:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by state officials to undergo turnarounds made &#8220;exemplary progress&#8221; three years later,according to Andy Smarick (now an adjutant to New Jersey school czar Chris Cerf); fewer than one in ten [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Real Hartford &#187; Deciphering the Education Reform Debate: Part Two</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-80380</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Hartford &#187; Deciphering the Education Reform Debate: Part Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] turnaround school intervention, receiving some criticism nationwide, reduces the authority of the local board of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fran Upshaw</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-55986</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran Upshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we would like for all students to achieve the standards established by so-called experts who want to turnaround failing schools but nowhere do I see a recognition that all students are created equal in abilities, talents, and motivations. I do not know of any study on the effect of dropouts since No Child Left Behind. Would it not be wise to offer these underserved students the option of enrolling into a vocational training program, an opportunity to become a productive adult? Would it not free teachers to devote more energy into high performing students? Has no one read Aesop&#039;s Fabels? They should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we would like for all students to achieve the standards established by so-called experts who want to turnaround failing schools but nowhere do I see a recognition that all students are created equal in abilities, talents, and motivations. I do not know of any study on the effect of dropouts since No Child Left Behind. Would it not be wise to offer these underserved students the option of enrolling into a vocational training program, an opportunity to become a productive adult? Would it not free teachers to devote more energy into high performing students? Has no one read Aesop&#8217;s Fabels? They should.</p>
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		<title>By: How KIPP Charter Schools Keep Test Scores High &#171; Larry Miller&#039;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-44687</link>
		<dc:creator>How KIPP Charter Schools Keep Test Scores High &#171; Larry Miller&#039;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 21:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the school; and where students not only leave, but large number of students enter — KIPP abandoned the field after just two [...]</description>
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		<title>By: KIPP Isn&#8217;t The Answer</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-44143</link>
		<dc:creator>KIPP Isn&#8217;t The Answer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fact KIPP failed to hack it in the same playing field as Public Schools.  Here is Richard D. Kahlenberg&#8217;s piece from the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JIMH</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-29624</link>
		<dc:creator>JIMH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Setting all the Edu-Speak aside, if you have low-performing schools, you have one person to blame:  The Principal.........If the District and the School Board has empowered the school leader to enact whatever reforms are necessary,  and the school is still under-performing, then a new leader is required.

If everyone on the campus is not on the team, get rid of them,  anyone not on board is actively working against educating children and does not deserve to keep their job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Setting all the Edu-Speak aside, if you have low-performing schools, you have one person to blame:  The Principal&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;If the District and the School Board has empowered the school leader to enact whatever reforms are necessary,  and the school is still under-performing, then a new leader is required.</p>
<p>If everyone on the campus is not on the team, get rid of them,  anyone not on board is actively working against educating children and does not deserve to keep their job.</p>
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		<title>By: How far to go for quality education?</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-25439</link>
		<dc:creator>How far to go for quality education?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “The surprise and shame is that urban public education, unlike nearly every other industry, profession and field, has never developed a sensible solution to its continuous failures.” Smarick wrote in The Turnaround Fallacy. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] “The surprise and shame is that urban public education, unlike nearly every other industry, profession and field, has never developed a sensible solution to its continuous failures.” Smarick wrote in The Turnaround Fallacy. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: State Policy Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Day 9 – Tested innovation for failing urban schools</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-18269</link>
		<dc:creator>State Policy Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Day 9 – Tested innovation for failing urban schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pilot schools (2007). None of these models has performed at the level of charter schools. Worse, turnaround models across the country have a checkered record, when they continue under the aegis of school committees and superintendents. At most a handful [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pilot schools (2007). None of these models has performed at the level of charter schools. Worse, turnaround models across the country have a checkered record, when they continue under the aegis of school committees and superintendents. At most a handful [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The School Turnaround Folly &#171; The Enterprise Blog</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-3527</link>
		<dc:creator>The School Turnaround Folly &#171; The Enterprise Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Moreover, turnarounds in other fields and industries have the same distressing track record. (This Education Next article fully discusses this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Close Failing Schools and Start Afresh &#171; The Enterprise Blog</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-3526</link>
		<dc:creator>Close Failing Schools and Start Afresh &#171; The Enterprise Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] state of underperformance. (He uses arguments and data from my Education Next article “The Turnaround Fallacy” to build his [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Turnaround Fallacy &#171; The Enterprise Blog</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-3525</link>
		<dc:creator>The Turnaround Fallacy &#171; The Enterprise Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Next released my article “The Turnaround Fallacy,” which argues for an alternative to the education reform world’s current fixation on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bill jones</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-2462</link>
		<dc:creator>bill jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please explain this contradiction.

Students are not held accountable for the present failing schools, and yet they are KEY to the success of any &quot;new&quot; school? When has THAT logic ever worked in the private sector?  

The present school improvement logic is a lot like the&quot; hole in the tennis racket&quot; theory.  A lousy player always look at his or her racket and blames the equipment. 

Why not close the bottom 20% of schools, hire KIPP, fire all teachers and overhead, and re-open the school the next Monday with new leadership independent of the school district for the SAME students?

Let&#039;s see what happens then.  

My guess:  The same results at best.

It appears there is cultural encoding in these old buildings and school symbols that has conditioned parents and children to expect a certain educational outcome:  And that may just be sustained low performance.

Unless the government or KIPP is willing to use brutal COMPULSION nothing will change.

We built and maintain a culture of failure in education that is perpetuated by the armies of well paid, well heeled consultants and businesses whose career is perpetuating the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please explain this contradiction.</p>
<p>Students are not held accountable for the present failing schools, and yet they are KEY to the success of any &#8220;new&#8221; school? When has THAT logic ever worked in the private sector?  </p>
<p>The present school improvement logic is a lot like the&#8221; hole in the tennis racket&#8221; theory.  A lousy player always look at his or her racket and blames the equipment. </p>
<p>Why not close the bottom 20% of schools, hire KIPP, fire all teachers and overhead, and re-open the school the next Monday with new leadership independent of the school district for the SAME students?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see what happens then.  </p>
<p>My guess:  The same results at best.</p>
<p>It appears there is cultural encoding in these old buildings and school symbols that has conditioned parents and children to expect a certain educational outcome:  And that may just be sustained low performance.</p>
<p>Unless the government or KIPP is willing to use brutal COMPULSION nothing will change.</p>
<p>We built and maintain a culture of failure in education that is perpetuated by the armies of well paid, well heeled consultants and businesses whose career is perpetuating the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Does Tennessee Have a Plan To Turn Around Failing Schools? (Hint: Not Really) &#171; Nashville Jefferson: A Nashville Education Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Does Tennessee Have a Plan To Turn Around Failing Schools? (Hint: Not Really) &#171; Nashville Jefferson: A Nashville Education Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] February 25   tags: Race to the Top, School Turnaround by nashvillejefferson   Although there is a national debate about whether school turnaround is even possible, a significant part of the Race to the Top [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] February 25   tags: Race to the Top, School Turnaround by nashvillejefferson   Although there is a national debate about whether school turnaround is even possible, a significant part of the Race to the Top [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Closing versus Transformation/Redesign: Is There a &#8220;Right Path&#8221; for Dealing with Low Performing Schools? Why Does the Department Allow Schools to Falter? and, Who Should Be Held Accountable? &#171; Ed In The Apple</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-2098</link>
		<dc:creator>Closing versus Transformation/Redesign: Is There a &#8220;Right Path&#8221; for Dealing with Low Performing Schools? Why Does the Department Allow Schools to Falter? and, Who Should Be Held Accountable? &#171; Ed In The Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] debate over closing schools versus transforming schools is on-going (read a pro closing argument here and also read the comments, and the recent Chicago Consortium Study, casting doubt on school [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Woody Grant</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-1866</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m amazed that throughout the years the fixing has been focused on the kids, and not on those of us who facilitate the education process.  Once a child of any age realizes that his/her teacher really cares(loves) about them, nothing will impede their effort to please their teacher...Learning(FOR TEACHER AND STUDENT) occurs when the teacher-student relationship reflects mutual respect,trust and love.  Teacher culture plus student culture within this context will become a school culture that only improves as adults in the equation commit to loving the children unconditionally....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amazed that throughout the years the fixing has been focused on the kids, and not on those of us who facilitate the education process.  Once a child of any age realizes that his/her teacher really cares(loves) about them, nothing will impede their effort to please their teacher&#8230;Learning(FOR TEACHER AND STUDENT) occurs when the teacher-student relationship reflects mutual respect,trust and love.  Teacher culture plus student culture within this context will become a school culture that only improves as adults in the equation commit to loving the children unconditionally&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Education Next</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-1738</link>
		<dc:creator>Education Next</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following was submitted as a letter to the editor:

Andy Smarick suggests that the energy we spend turning around failing schools would be better spent shutting them down and starting new ones. That’s part of the solution, but we should be skeptical that closure alone is the answer.

First, this argument assumes that “close and replace” always beats turnaround on results. Smarick cites literature on businesses in the private sector, where turnarounds work only one-third of the time. He’s right, but what’s not cited is the fact that less than 30 percent of new businesses last more than six years. Not the dramatically better results we’re looking for.

But maybe this churn means better student outcomes, which leads to my second point. The data don’t look good for that either. A recent report by the Consortium on Chicago School Research studied the nation’s largest close-and-replace strategy. More often than not, the strategy meant worse outcomes for the children. Moreover, a recent study by CREDO (Center for Research on Education Outcomes) at Stanford tells us that only one-third of new charter schools are demonstrably better than their neighborhood comparisons. The rest are the same or worse.

Third, the word “turnaround” can be used to mean different things, and sometimes it’s code for weak interventions. I agree with Smarick when he talks about the failed strategies of the past, but a reasonable definition of turnaround should exclude those half measures. The new federal guidelines for school improvement adopt a more robust definition of turnaround, wherein the adults in a building, especially teachers and leadership, are subject to change, and outside organizations can manage schools under performance contracts.

Our research shows that high-poverty schools that outperform their peers share certain qualities: an intense focus on instructional practice, an integrated approach to student support services, and flexibility from bureaucratic operating conditions. The creative destruction and market competition inherent in closure are great for allocating scarce resources, but they’re not enough to ensure quality and equity for vulnerable children. We need to invest in turning around failing schools as well.

Justin C. Cohen
The School Turnaround Strategy Group
Mass Insight</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following was submitted as a letter to the editor:</p>
<p>Andy Smarick suggests that the energy we spend turning around failing schools would be better spent shutting them down and starting new ones. That’s part of the solution, but we should be skeptical that closure alone is the answer.</p>
<p>First, this argument assumes that “close and replace” always beats turnaround on results. Smarick cites literature on businesses in the private sector, where turnarounds work only one-third of the time. He’s right, but what’s not cited is the fact that less than 30 percent of new businesses last more than six years. Not the dramatically better results we’re looking for.</p>
<p>But maybe this churn means better student outcomes, which leads to my second point. The data don’t look good for that either. A recent report by the Consortium on Chicago School Research studied the nation’s largest close-and-replace strategy. More often than not, the strategy meant worse outcomes for the children. Moreover, a recent study by CREDO (Center for Research on Education Outcomes) at Stanford tells us that only one-third of new charter schools are demonstrably better than their neighborhood comparisons. The rest are the same or worse.</p>
<p>Third, the word “turnaround” can be used to mean different things, and sometimes it’s code for weak interventions. I agree with Smarick when he talks about the failed strategies of the past, but a reasonable definition of turnaround should exclude those half measures. The new federal guidelines for school improvement adopt a more robust definition of turnaround, wherein the adults in a building, especially teachers and leadership, are subject to change, and outside organizations can manage schools under performance contracts.</p>
<p>Our research shows that high-poverty schools that outperform their peers share certain qualities: an intense focus on instructional practice, an integrated approach to student support services, and flexibility from bureaucratic operating conditions. The creative destruction and market competition inherent in closure are great for allocating scarce resources, but they’re not enough to ensure quality and equity for vulnerable children. We need to invest in turning around failing schools as well.</p>
<p>Justin C. Cohen<br />
The School Turnaround Strategy Group<br />
Mass Insight</p>
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		<title>By: Education Next</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-1737</link>
		<dc:creator>Education Next</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following was submitted as a letter to the editor:

Andy Smarick’s “The Turnaround Fallacy” (features, Winter 2010) suffers from three fallacies. First, Smarick erroneously believes that school turnarounds have been tried widely and haven’t worked. In fact, interventions in failing schools are typically lukewarm and reliant on coaching, new curriculum packages, or other rearranging of deck chairs. Real turnaround attempts, in which a district hires a highly capable leader with “the big yes” to do what’s needed to fix the school, almost never happen.

Second, he wrongly suggests that in healthy industries, leaders don’t try to fix failing units, which simply close and make way for new upstarts. In fact, large companies with failing units try many strategies. They typically start by enforcing faithful execution of practices that work in other areas. When that doesn’t work, they replace the leader and give the new manager a change mandate. Smarick is right that the threat of closure is essential; today, bad schools have more lives than cats. To rescue more schools from “the brink of doom,” policymakers must make the option of school “doom” real, but then vigorously try to fix failing schools in the meantime.

Third, he grossly overstates the potential of start-up schools. Don’t get us wrong. We strongly back a large-scale effort to start great new schools. But research from other sectors pegs the probability of start-up success at about 25 percent, comparable to the estimated 30 percent of major corporate-change efforts that succeed. Like Smarick, we’re fans of outliers like KIPP, but together these networks will add a few hundred schools, not the few thousand we need. Even if these networks are joined by other wildly successful upstarts, only a small fraction of students in failing schools will benefit.

That’s why the nation needs a portfolio of strategies to change the fortunes of kids trapped in failing schools. Clinging to just one approach will write off millions who desperately need something different. Let’s start great new schools and fix bad ones. Let’s expect both strategies to work some of the time, but not always. And when they don’t work, let’s try again, rapidly, so kids don’t continue to languish in schools that aren’t getting the job done.

Bryan C. Hassel &amp; Emily Ayscue Hassel
Co-Directors
Public Impact</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following was submitted as a letter to the editor:</p>
<p>Andy Smarick’s “The Turnaround Fallacy” (features, Winter 2010) suffers from three fallacies. First, Smarick erroneously believes that school turnarounds have been tried widely and haven’t worked. In fact, interventions in failing schools are typically lukewarm and reliant on coaching, new curriculum packages, or other rearranging of deck chairs. Real turnaround attempts, in which a district hires a highly capable leader with “the big yes” to do what’s needed to fix the school, almost never happen.</p>
<p>Second, he wrongly suggests that in healthy industries, leaders don’t try to fix failing units, which simply close and make way for new upstarts. In fact, large companies with failing units try many strategies. They typically start by enforcing faithful execution of practices that work in other areas. When that doesn’t work, they replace the leader and give the new manager a change mandate. Smarick is right that the threat of closure is essential; today, bad schools have more lives than cats. To rescue more schools from “the brink of doom,” policymakers must make the option of school “doom” real, but then vigorously try to fix failing schools in the meantime.</p>
<p>Third, he grossly overstates the potential of start-up schools. Don’t get us wrong. We strongly back a large-scale effort to start great new schools. But research from other sectors pegs the probability of start-up success at about 25 percent, comparable to the estimated 30 percent of major corporate-change efforts that succeed. Like Smarick, we’re fans of outliers like KIPP, but together these networks will add a few hundred schools, not the few thousand we need. Even if these networks are joined by other wildly successful upstarts, only a small fraction of students in failing schools will benefit.</p>
<p>That’s why the nation needs a portfolio of strategies to change the fortunes of kids trapped in failing schools. Clinging to just one approach will write off millions who desperately need something different. Let’s start great new schools and fix bad ones. Let’s expect both strategies to work some of the time, but not always. And when they don’t work, let’s try again, rapidly, so kids don’t continue to languish in schools that aren’t getting the job done.</p>
<p>Bryan C. Hassel &amp; Emily Ayscue Hassel<br />
Co-Directors<br />
Public Impact</p>
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		<title>By: Trish Williams, Executive Director, EdSource</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-1237</link>
		<dc:creator>Trish Williams, Executive Director, EdSource</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An important clarification/correction:  Your article references an EdSource study but you don&#039;t cite the name. I&#039;m assuming its one released in the fall of 2005 called Similar Students, Different Results: Why Some Schools Do Better.  Unfortunately, you mischaracterized the study.  EdSource has never done a study of why some low performing schools improve and others don&#039;t.  The SSDR study conducted an extensive survey of the principals and thousands of classroom teachers of 257 high performing and low performing elementary schools that had very similar student populations (predominantly low income families with low parental education levels, and high percentages of EL, African American, and Latino students) .  The survey asked hundreds of questions about school practices and policies.  After controlling for student demographics, we analyzed each school&#039;s survey responses against school scores on California Academic Performance Index.  We DID find many practices that differentiated higher performing schools from lower, serving similar students.  The study &#039;s report can be found at www.edsource.org.  But it had nothing to do with turning around low performing schools.

FYI, we are releasing findings in late February on a similar study of 303 middle grades schools and of the many district and school practices that differentiate the high performers from the low performers.  This new study used the 2009 CSTs on math and English language arts in grades 6-8 as the dependent variable, and has test data going back four years for the 204,000 students in the school sample.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An important clarification/correction:  Your article references an EdSource study but you don&#8217;t cite the name. I&#8217;m assuming its one released in the fall of 2005 called Similar Students, Different Results: Why Some Schools Do Better.  Unfortunately, you mischaracterized the study.  EdSource has never done a study of why some low performing schools improve and others don&#8217;t.  The SSDR study conducted an extensive survey of the principals and thousands of classroom teachers of 257 high performing and low performing elementary schools that had very similar student populations (predominantly low income families with low parental education levels, and high percentages of EL, African American, and Latino students) .  The survey asked hundreds of questions about school practices and policies.  After controlling for student demographics, we analyzed each school&#8217;s survey responses against school scores on California Academic Performance Index.  We DID find many practices that differentiated higher performing schools from lower, serving similar students.  The study &#8216;s report can be found at <a href="http://www.edsource.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.edsource.org</a>.  But it had nothing to do with turning around low performing schools.</p>
<p>FYI, we are releasing findings in late February on a similar study of 303 middle grades schools and of the many district and school practices that differentiate the high performers from the low performers.  This new study used the 2009 CSTs on math and English language arts in grades 6-8 as the dependent variable, and has test data going back four years for the 204,000 students in the school sample.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Thought on Turnarounds &#171; Larry Cuban on School Reform and Classroom Practice</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-1227</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Thought on Turnarounds &#171; Larry Cuban on School Reform and Classroom Practice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In the other corner (in the blue shirt) are those who argue that the best way to deal with failing schools or companies is to close them down and start new ones. The evidence they display come from two sources: the instability of turnarounds to stayed turned aro.... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michigan Future Inc. &#187; What to do with Failing Schools</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-1038</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan Future Inc. &#187; What to do with Failing Schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article in the current issue of Education Next. Its called the Turnaround Fallacy. The author, Andy Smarick, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Read: Tuesday Morning Teacher Edition&#160;&#124;&#124;&#160;Dropout Nation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Read: Tuesday Morning Teacher Edition&#160;&#124;&#124;&#160;Dropout Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jay Mathews joins Andy Smarick in advocating for shutting down dropout factories and other poor-performing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Education Next</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-783</link>
		<dc:creator>Education Next</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following was submitted as a letter to the editor:

To EducationNext:

Andy Smarick makes a compelling argument that we would be better off closing failing schools (The Turnaround Fallacy, Winter 2010), but he doesn’t take into account the stark reality that often urban districts simply have too many “failing schools” to close them all. Closing a district’s most persistently underperforming schools must be an option, but districts cannot stop there. Even the most extreme school closure program will leave the majority of students in their current schools, many of which are also inadequate. Instead, districts must develop a comprehensive approach to address all of their turnaround schools as well as low-performing schools that don’t quite qualify for turnaround attention. 

At Education Resource Strategies (ERS) we believe that districts need to make decisions about failing schools as part of a long-range, district-wide strategy that incorporates all resources—people, time, and money. While we agree with Smarick that evidence is not clear on a single turnaround strategy that works, we do know that schools can accelerate improvement through strong, transformational leaders, collaborative teacher teams, and targeting expertise and resources to help students who have fallen behind. It is true that success for turning schools around is mixed, but there is a lot that districts can do to increase the probability of success. These keys to success include: 

1.	Implementing a district-wide strategy for measuring school performance and determining appropriate action, including the possibility of school closure
2.	Recruiting transformational school leaders who can establish high expectations for improved performance 
3.	Implementing strategies that give these leaders the flexibility to efficiently assign teaching staff and to assemble high-performing teams with appropriate expertise
4.	Ensuring sufficient expert instructional support and collaborative time for teachers to adjust instruction based on data 
5.	Funding targeted student support and taking the time to accelerate student learning
6.	Providing additional problem solving and support from central staff

A successful turnaround strategy might be as ambitious as a “cure for cancer,” as Smarick claims. So just like medical researchers we have to keep trying. Closing schools should unquestionably be part of a school districts’ strategy, but only a district-wide transformation will result in improving education for all children that the district serves.

Karen Hawley Miles
President and Executive Director
Education Resource Strategies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following was submitted as a letter to the editor:</p>
<p>To EducationNext:</p>
<p>Andy Smarick makes a compelling argument that we would be better off closing failing schools (The Turnaround Fallacy, Winter 2010), but he doesn’t take into account the stark reality that often urban districts simply have too many “failing schools” to close them all. Closing a district’s most persistently underperforming schools must be an option, but districts cannot stop there. Even the most extreme school closure program will leave the majority of students in their current schools, many of which are also inadequate. Instead, districts must develop a comprehensive approach to address all of their turnaround schools as well as low-performing schools that don’t quite qualify for turnaround attention. </p>
<p>At Education Resource Strategies (ERS) we believe that districts need to make decisions about failing schools as part of a long-range, district-wide strategy that incorporates all resources—people, time, and money. While we agree with Smarick that evidence is not clear on a single turnaround strategy that works, we do know that schools can accelerate improvement through strong, transformational leaders, collaborative teacher teams, and targeting expertise and resources to help students who have fallen behind. It is true that success for turning schools around is mixed, but there is a lot that districts can do to increase the probability of success. These keys to success include: </p>
<p>1.	Implementing a district-wide strategy for measuring school performance and determining appropriate action, including the possibility of school closure<br />
2.	Recruiting transformational school leaders who can establish high expectations for improved performance<br />
3.	Implementing strategies that give these leaders the flexibility to efficiently assign teaching staff and to assemble high-performing teams with appropriate expertise<br />
4.	Ensuring sufficient expert instructional support and collaborative time for teachers to adjust instruction based on data<br />
5.	Funding targeted student support and taking the time to accelerate student learning<br />
6.	Providing additional problem solving and support from central staff</p>
<p>A successful turnaround strategy might be as ambitious as a “cure for cancer,” as Smarick claims. So just like medical researchers we have to keep trying. Closing schools should unquestionably be part of a school districts’ strategy, but only a district-wide transformation will result in improving education for all children that the district serves.</p>
<p>Karen Hawley Miles<br />
President and Executive Director<br />
Education Resource Strategies</p>
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		<title>By: Education Next</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-745</link>
		<dc:creator>Education Next</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following was submitted as a letter to the editor:

Incremental improvement strategies are not the same as whole school turnaround. Andy Smarick’s recent article (“The Turnaround Fallacy,” Winter 2010) applies the word “turnaround” to a wide range of efforts to help struggling schools and, while he makes an interesting case, I disagree with his premise that school turnaround efforts “have consistently fallen far short of hopes and expectations.”

We have had success – using a very specific turnaround model – in transforming some of Chicago’s poorest performing schools. None of the school improvement efforts Smarick describes are the kind of whole school, top-to-bottom transformation that applies to what is happening in the Chicago Public Schools (CPS) that are led by the Academy of Urban School Leadership (AUSL).

Since 2006, CPS has brought in AUSL to turn around eight schools where the test scores, attendance, discipline issues and graduation rates tell us the students are not getting the education they need. Our top-to-bottom approach is like hitting a reset button for these schools. We accomplish this without disruption to students, who return in the fall to their neighborhood school, which has been transformed with renovated facilities, a new principal who has hand-picked a new team of teachers, a new curriculum, new conduct codes and disciplinary standards, and new expectations for student success. And we deliberately foster the direct involvement of parents and community members.

Our data – dramatically improved attendance, test scores, and attitudes toward learning – demonstrate success. We also have the overwhelming support of students, parents, and teachers who have participated in the process, some of them formerly among our loudest critics.

It’s not realistic to think that dozens of failing schools in Chicago (and thousands nationally) can be closed and effectively replaced with new-start schools. There aren’t sufficient budget and time resources. And our students do not have time to wait while we sort out new-start school options. At AUSL, we are transforming schools now because our students deserve nothing less.

Dr. Donald Feinstein
Executive Director
Academy for Urban School Leadership</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following was submitted as a letter to the editor:</p>
<p>Incremental improvement strategies are not the same as whole school turnaround. Andy Smarick’s recent article (“The Turnaround Fallacy,” Winter 2010) applies the word “turnaround” to a wide range of efforts to help struggling schools and, while he makes an interesting case, I disagree with his premise that school turnaround efforts “have consistently fallen far short of hopes and expectations.”</p>
<p>We have had success – using a very specific turnaround model – in transforming some of Chicago’s poorest performing schools. None of the school improvement efforts Smarick describes are the kind of whole school, top-to-bottom transformation that applies to what is happening in the Chicago Public Schools (CPS) that are led by the Academy of Urban School Leadership (AUSL).</p>
<p>Since 2006, CPS has brought in AUSL to turn around eight schools where the test scores, attendance, discipline issues and graduation rates tell us the students are not getting the education they need. Our top-to-bottom approach is like hitting a reset button for these schools. We accomplish this without disruption to students, who return in the fall to their neighborhood school, which has been transformed with renovated facilities, a new principal who has hand-picked a new team of teachers, a new curriculum, new conduct codes and disciplinary standards, and new expectations for student success. And we deliberately foster the direct involvement of parents and community members.</p>
<p>Our data – dramatically improved attendance, test scores, and attitudes toward learning – demonstrate success. We also have the overwhelming support of students, parents, and teachers who have participated in the process, some of them formerly among our loudest critics.</p>
<p>It’s not realistic to think that dozens of failing schools in Chicago (and thousands nationally) can be closed and effectively replaced with new-start schools. There aren’t sufficient budget and time resources. And our students do not have time to wait while we sort out new-start school options. At AUSL, we are transforming schools now because our students deserve nothing less.</p>
<p>Dr. Donald Feinstein<br />
Executive Director<br />
Academy for Urban School Leadership</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Ed</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-728</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using the business model for schools also ignores the observation that over half of  new business fail in the first few years.  

The real key to success is high quality, energetic, competent principals in the schools.  While all the inequalities will continue to exist, hiring good people, training and supporting them will foster increased student gains.  
Dr. Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the business model for schools also ignores the observation that over half of  new business fail in the first few years.  </p>
<p>The real key to success is high quality, energetic, competent principals in the schools.  While all the inequalities will continue to exist, hiring good people, training and supporting them will foster increased student gains.<br />
Dr. Ed</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-725</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We need interventions because even though they might not work they’re better than the alternative: NOTHING&quot;

Now there&#039;s a desperate thought!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We need interventions because even though they might not work they’re better than the alternative: NOTHING&#8221;</p>
<p>Now there&#8217;s a desperate thought!</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Wheatley</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-706</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Wheatley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a longtime teacher educator in America&#039;s second poorest major city, there are a few puzzling things about this discussion. 

First, we judge schools to be &quot;failing&quot; with reference to more successful schools, with the failing ones usually in the poor parts of town, and the successful ones in the wealthier part of town. It&#039;s a zero sum game, because half the schools will always be below average, and there will always be a bottom 20% of schools. Being shocked, shocked! that some school is in the bottom 10% is like being shocked that there are losing teams in the NFL, or shocked that they can&#039;t all be turned into winning teams next year.

It&#039;s great to be horrified that conditions are inhumane or unacceptably violent in many of these schools, or that kids aren&#039;t learning specific things, and work to end some specific condition, but there is no evidence anywhere that anyone knows how to bring an entire high-poverty urban district up to the level of the schools in wealthy suburbs. A few boutique schools with high test scores (and many with high dropout rates) doesn&#039;t change the discussion any. 

What&#039;s in my circle of influence is to encourage teachers to be better than seems possible, but what is in national policymakers&#039; circle of influence is to try to change macro conditions so that we don&#039;t have so many kids in poverty and so many high-poverty schools where kids feel like there is no hope. If you see your relatives losing ground economically despite working two jobs and having stayed in school, all that rah-rah stuff about education isn&#039;t convincing. 

The second puzzle is this strange rich man&#039;s assumption that free markets create uniform excellence everywhere. Drive through the poor parts of town, and you&#039;ll find that the private for-profit services (restaurants, etc.) are lousy compared to those in the rich parts of town in exactly the same way that public schools in the poor parts of town are often lousy in comparison to those in the rich parts of town. 

Again, &quot;failing&quot; as we discuss schools is a normative term, and in that sense, market solutions fail to ensure widespread excellence in private sector goods and services as well. Don&#039;t rich folks know that most goods and services are average to mediocre to lousy? Yes, goods improve over time, but there is the same &quot;gap&quot; between rich and poor in what citizens get from the private sector as in what they get from the public sector. And the gap is increasing. 

Perhaps we should hold Ben Bernanke more &quot;accountable&quot; and fire him because he&#039;s been unable to solve the deplorable &quot;mansion gap&quot; between rich and poor. If he just had higher expectations for blue-collar workers, do you think we&#039;d all have the same size mansions?

Inequality begets inequality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a longtime teacher educator in America&#8217;s second poorest major city, there are a few puzzling things about this discussion. </p>
<p>First, we judge schools to be &#8220;failing&#8221; with reference to more successful schools, with the failing ones usually in the poor parts of town, and the successful ones in the wealthier part of town. It&#8217;s a zero sum game, because half the schools will always be below average, and there will always be a bottom 20% of schools. Being shocked, shocked! that some school is in the bottom 10% is like being shocked that there are losing teams in the NFL, or shocked that they can&#8217;t all be turned into winning teams next year.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s great to be horrified that conditions are inhumane or unacceptably violent in many of these schools, or that kids aren&#8217;t learning specific things, and work to end some specific condition, but there is no evidence anywhere that anyone knows how to bring an entire high-poverty urban district up to the level of the schools in wealthy suburbs. A few boutique schools with high test scores (and many with high dropout rates) doesn&#8217;t change the discussion any. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s in my circle of influence is to encourage teachers to be better than seems possible, but what is in national policymakers&#8217; circle of influence is to try to change macro conditions so that we don&#8217;t have so many kids in poverty and so many high-poverty schools where kids feel like there is no hope. If you see your relatives losing ground economically despite working two jobs and having stayed in school, all that rah-rah stuff about education isn&#8217;t convincing. </p>
<p>The second puzzle is this strange rich man&#8217;s assumption that free markets create uniform excellence everywhere. Drive through the poor parts of town, and you&#8217;ll find that the private for-profit services (restaurants, etc.) are lousy compared to those in the rich parts of town in exactly the same way that public schools in the poor parts of town are often lousy in comparison to those in the rich parts of town. </p>
<p>Again, &#8220;failing&#8221; as we discuss schools is a normative term, and in that sense, market solutions fail to ensure widespread excellence in private sector goods and services as well. Don&#8217;t rich folks know that most goods and services are average to mediocre to lousy? Yes, goods improve over time, but there is the same &#8220;gap&#8221; between rich and poor in what citizens get from the private sector as in what they get from the public sector. And the gap is increasing. </p>
<p>Perhaps we should hold Ben Bernanke more &#8220;accountable&#8221; and fire him because he&#8217;s been unable to solve the deplorable &#8220;mansion gap&#8221; between rich and poor. If he just had higher expectations for blue-collar workers, do you think we&#8217;d all have the same size mansions?</p>
<p>Inequality begets inequality.</p>
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		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-689</link>
		<dc:creator>M VanBuren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The elephant in the room is the funding of these new schools. If failing schools are being closed rapidly, where will the added funding come from to open many smaller schools? Large centralized school districts benefit from economies of scale. Creating many small charters or dissolving school districts creates a new funding demand as new schools are opened (with new equipment, new supplies, new books, new facilities). Where&#039;s the money going to come from?

Also, I&#039;d like to know how the turn-around effort affects successful schools. I work at a school where test scores are good, AP classes are plentiful  and the graduation rate is high. Because of the need to make annual progress, our administration treats the school like a failing school and constantly implements turn-around strategies. The focus is constantly shifting and my guess is that this approach will soon start driving down scores and disrupting the structure which has historically made our school successful. Are there any findings regarding how these heroic turnaround-efforts affect successful schools when principals start panicing about making huge improvement gains?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The elephant in the room is the funding of these new schools. If failing schools are being closed rapidly, where will the added funding come from to open many smaller schools? Large centralized school districts benefit from economies of scale. Creating many small charters or dissolving school districts creates a new funding demand as new schools are opened (with new equipment, new supplies, new books, new facilities). Where&#8217;s the money going to come from?</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;d like to know how the turn-around effort affects successful schools. I work at a school where test scores are good, AP classes are plentiful  and the graduation rate is high. Because of the need to make annual progress, our administration treats the school like a failing school and constantly implements turn-around strategies. The focus is constantly shifting and my guess is that this approach will soon start driving down scores and disrupting the structure which has historically made our school successful. Are there any findings regarding how these heroic turnaround-efforts affect successful schools when principals start panicing about making huge improvement gains?</p>
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		<title>By: The Panacea Fallacy &#171; Meeting the Turnaround Challenge</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-687</link>
		<dc:creator>The Panacea Fallacy &#171; Meeting the Turnaround Challenge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] leading wet blanket for fixing failing schools, and folks are sure to be talking about his newest piece in EdNext, “The Turnaround Fallacy” (NB: he&#8217;s also a friend and a very smart guy, although [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ed is Watching &#187; Taking a Closer Look at Arne Duncan&#8217;s School Turnaround Strategy</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed is Watching &#187; Taking a Closer Look at Arne Duncan&#8217;s School Turnaround Strategy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Writing in Education Next magazine, Andy Smarick of the American Enterprise Institute stands up and shouts, &#8220;Wait just a minute!&#8221;: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Turn around, end up in same place &#171; Joanne Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-684</link>
		<dc:creator>Turn around, end up in same place &#171; Joanne Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Arne Duncan wants to &#8220;turn around&#8221; 5,000 low-performing schools. Unfortunately, we don&#8217;t know how to save failing schools, writes Andy Smarick in Education Next. Millions of dollars have been spent trying with little [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Arne Duncan wants to &#8220;turn around&#8221; 5,000 low-performing schools. Unfortunately, we don&#8217;t know how to save failing schools, writes Andy Smarick in Education Next. Millions of dollars have been spent trying with little [...]</p>
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		<title>By: L Pawlson</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>L Pawlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the past, turnaround has not usually included the scenario of high-quality charter school operators taking over schools and keeping the kids, but changing virtually everything else.  Unless you believe that students are somehow responsible for the failure of their schools, you must believe that these same students, in a changed environment will be able to succeed.  Also, a small fact correction, KIPP actually engaged in two turnaround efforts, and the one not mentioned in this article,  Phillips Academy in New Orleans, showed strong signs of early success before Hurricane Katrina washed it away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the past, turnaround has not usually included the scenario of high-quality charter school operators taking over schools and keeping the kids, but changing virtually everything else.  Unless you believe that students are somehow responsible for the failure of their schools, you must believe that these same students, in a changed environment will be able to succeed.  Also, a small fact correction, KIPP actually engaged in two turnaround efforts, and the one not mentioned in this article,  Phillips Academy in New Orleans, showed strong signs of early success before Hurricane Katrina washed it away.</p>
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		<title>By: John Alford</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>John Alford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that closure is an option that needs to be used 100 times more than it currently is being used.  School closure is not going to be politically feasible to be the model for improving schools.  I hate to be cliche but the actual proves the possible.  The problem with past turnaround efforts is who has led them. If our most succesful CMOs tried to turnaround schools, they would do it well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that closure is an option that needs to be used 100 times more than it currently is being used.  School closure is not going to be politically feasible to be the model for improving schools.  I hate to be cliche but the actual proves the possible.  The problem with past turnaround efforts is who has led them. If our most succesful CMOs tried to turnaround schools, they would do it well.</p>
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		<title>By: Piet van Lier</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-663</link>
		<dc:creator>Piet van Lier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some holes in this argument for using the business model, even if it exists in such pure form as Andy describes. For one, successful charter operators, for understandable reasons, often like to phase in new schools.

So if K-8 school A is shut down and start-up B replaces it but only with grades k-2 the first year, what happens to all those kids in grades 3-8? And that&#039;s only one school, thinking of this happening &quot;at scale&quot; is troubling.

Talking so briskly about how a business model can save education ignores the fact that when a business closes, employees (hopefully) find new jobs and the products and services they sold are provided to buyers through other means. 

Children and their families are not &quot;consumers&quot; in the same way -- when their education is disrupted, there is a long-term impact unless there is a smooth transition.

Creative destruction sounds great when you&#039;re talking about a widget maker; when you&#039;re talking about kids&#039; lives, it sounds a bit harsh.

Certainly plenty of districts are not serving enough children well, but it&#039;s not clear that this proposal is the solution -- we need a mix of solutions that can lead to strong public education systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some holes in this argument for using the business model, even if it exists in such pure form as Andy describes. For one, successful charter operators, for understandable reasons, often like to phase in new schools.</p>
<p>So if K-8 school A is shut down and start-up B replaces it but only with grades k-2 the first year, what happens to all those kids in grades 3-8? And that&#8217;s only one school, thinking of this happening &#8220;at scale&#8221; is troubling.</p>
<p>Talking so briskly about how a business model can save education ignores the fact that when a business closes, employees (hopefully) find new jobs and the products and services they sold are provided to buyers through other means. </p>
<p>Children and their families are not &#8220;consumers&#8221; in the same way &#8212; when their education is disrupted, there is a long-term impact unless there is a smooth transition.</p>
<p>Creative destruction sounds great when you&#8217;re talking about a widget maker; when you&#8217;re talking about kids&#8217; lives, it sounds a bit harsh.</p>
<p>Certainly plenty of districts are not serving enough children well, but it&#8217;s not clear that this proposal is the solution &#8212; we need a mix of solutions that can lead to strong public education systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-658</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we want students to become strong leaders, good problems solvers, and analytical thinkers, we must model that behavior when we assess their educational system.

When one reads an article like this and finds a flawed argument, it is hard to know what parts of the article are worth reading or if the rest of the website is worth attention.

Consider this quote from the author in a related article (http://educationnext.org/putting-the-brakes-on-turnarounds/ ) “Turnarounds have not only consistently failed in education; they fail in the vast majority of instances in other industries and sectors.  Moreover, and most importantly, continuing to pursue turnarounds actually inhibits our ability to build healthy urban school systems.”

Every one of man’s entities and his own life go through periods of decline and overwhelming success.  Sometimes the decline is fatal.  The majority of the time, the entity returns to vitality.  

The author suggests that most entities fail when they enter decline.  If the author were correct, a very small number of organizations would survive an economic downturn like the one our country is experiencing.  If the author were correct, very few countries would survive the global downturn.  If the author were correct, very few businesses in New Orleans would have recovered from the economic devastation after the storm.  If the author were correct, New York City would have gone out of existence in the 1970.  If the author were correct, we would only have Chapter 7 bankruptcy fillings.  However, most companies survive Chapter 11 bankruptcy.  

There are several highly skilled consultants in this country known as turnaround artists.  They take on the struggling and restore them to vitality.  The top management consulting firms offer turnaround services.  They have admirable records of success.  There are corporate executives who have made a career out of restoring vitality to failing businesses.  Mission Enablers, the firm I work for, provides those services to private and parochial schools as well as nonprofits and churches.

Some organizations should be allowed to fail.  However, most can be saved, if there is a combination of will and skill.  One needs to make a case-by-case objective assessment of the situation before deciding that it is better to start fresh.  There are times when the cheapest, fastest, and most effective solution is a turnaround.

A quote from this article worth thinking about is, “Examples abound: In the first year of California’s Academic Performance Index, the state targeted its lowest-performing 20 percent of schools for intervention.  After three years, only 11 percent of the elementary schools in this category (109 of 968) were able to make “exemplary progress.””

Is that an example of a failed process?  Is 11% a successful process that can be refined to help an increasing number of schools?  Which is cheaper to abandon what works sometimes and start fresh or refine what works sometimes?  

Consider the quote that starts this comment and the preceding quote.  Does 11% success justify the claim that turnarounds consistently fail?  An 11% success ratio certainly implies selective success for the methodology used.  Would a different methodology produce similar or better results in the other 859 schools?  Why would it be wrong to try to find other viable methodologies?

One size never fits all.  Why is it necessary to have only one solution for 968 problems?

In summary, what we need is a combination of strategies.  Turnaround failing schools when the conditions justify it and start fresh when appropriate.  Use the right tool at the right time and always be to open and objective.  In addition, we must constantly be sharpening our tools to ensure increasing success.

With millions of children’s lives at stake and billions of dollars at risk, we need to be open to all possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we want students to become strong leaders, good problems solvers, and analytical thinkers, we must model that behavior when we assess their educational system.</p>
<p>When one reads an article like this and finds a flawed argument, it is hard to know what parts of the article are worth reading or if the rest of the website is worth attention.</p>
<p>Consider this quote from the author in a related article (<a href="http://educationnext.org/putting-the-brakes-on-turnarounds/" rel="nofollow">http://educationnext.org/putting-the-brakes-on-turnarounds/</a> ) “Turnarounds have not only consistently failed in education; they fail in the vast majority of instances in other industries and sectors.  Moreover, and most importantly, continuing to pursue turnarounds actually inhibits our ability to build healthy urban school systems.”</p>
<p>Every one of man’s entities and his own life go through periods of decline and overwhelming success.  Sometimes the decline is fatal.  The majority of the time, the entity returns to vitality.  </p>
<p>The author suggests that most entities fail when they enter decline.  If the author were correct, a very small number of organizations would survive an economic downturn like the one our country is experiencing.  If the author were correct, very few countries would survive the global downturn.  If the author were correct, very few businesses in New Orleans would have recovered from the economic devastation after the storm.  If the author were correct, New York City would have gone out of existence in the 1970.  If the author were correct, we would only have Chapter 7 bankruptcy fillings.  However, most companies survive Chapter 11 bankruptcy.  </p>
<p>There are several highly skilled consultants in this country known as turnaround artists.  They take on the struggling and restore them to vitality.  The top management consulting firms offer turnaround services.  They have admirable records of success.  There are corporate executives who have made a career out of restoring vitality to failing businesses.  Mission Enablers, the firm I work for, provides those services to private and parochial schools as well as nonprofits and churches.</p>
<p>Some organizations should be allowed to fail.  However, most can be saved, if there is a combination of will and skill.  One needs to make a case-by-case objective assessment of the situation before deciding that it is better to start fresh.  There are times when the cheapest, fastest, and most effective solution is a turnaround.</p>
<p>A quote from this article worth thinking about is, “Examples abound: In the first year of California’s Academic Performance Index, the state targeted its lowest-performing 20 percent of schools for intervention.  After three years, only 11 percent of the elementary schools in this category (109 of 968) were able to make “exemplary progress.””</p>
<p>Is that an example of a failed process?  Is 11% a successful process that can be refined to help an increasing number of schools?  Which is cheaper to abandon what works sometimes and start fresh or refine what works sometimes?  </p>
<p>Consider the quote that starts this comment and the preceding quote.  Does 11% success justify the claim that turnarounds consistently fail?  An 11% success ratio certainly implies selective success for the methodology used.  Would a different methodology produce similar or better results in the other 859 schools?  Why would it be wrong to try to find other viable methodologies?</p>
<p>One size never fits all.  Why is it necessary to have only one solution for 968 problems?</p>
<p>In summary, what we need is a combination of strategies.  Turnaround failing schools when the conditions justify it and start fresh when appropriate.  Use the right tool at the right time and always be to open and objective.  In addition, we must constantly be sharpening our tools to ensure increasing success.</p>
<p>With millions of children’s lives at stake and billions of dollars at risk, we need to be open to all possibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Smarick</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-654</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Smarick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments everyone.</description>
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		<title>By: John Danner</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-651</link>
		<dc:creator>John Danner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andy makes the point that anyone who&#039;s run a for-profit business would make.  bad organizations should fail.  when they fail, they create space for new ones.  eventually you get a new one that&#039;s really good and it sticks around.  this is not the kind of silver bullet that the education world wants, but unfortunately it&#039;s how things really work.  what&#039;s even more important is that there is some either/or here between new starts and turnarounds - the real estate.  If you do turnarounds you have to use that real estate to try again.  If you don&#039;t do a turnaround you can lease that space to a new start.  Ultimately, you shouldn&#039;t care which one you do, you should only care which one is more likely to succeed.  Are turnarounds 5x harder than new starts?  10x?  Whatever they are, do we have the right to choose an option that is more likely to fail just because it fits better with the current situation?  The Obama administration has been really courageous on other aspects of education, I hope we can get over this one and focus on starting new excellent schools, providing both real estate and financial assistance to encourage small schools, charter schools, and other approaches to flourish and eventually come up with solutions that work in every troubled neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andy makes the point that anyone who&#8217;s run a for-profit business would make.  bad organizations should fail.  when they fail, they create space for new ones.  eventually you get a new one that&#8217;s really good and it sticks around.  this is not the kind of silver bullet that the education world wants, but unfortunately it&#8217;s how things really work.  what&#8217;s even more important is that there is some either/or here between new starts and turnarounds &#8211; the real estate.  If you do turnarounds you have to use that real estate to try again.  If you don&#8217;t do a turnaround you can lease that space to a new start.  Ultimately, you shouldn&#8217;t care which one you do, you should only care which one is more likely to succeed.  Are turnarounds 5x harder than new starts?  10x?  Whatever they are, do we have the right to choose an option that is more likely to fail just because it fits better with the current situation?  The Obama administration has been really courageous on other aspects of education, I hope we can get over this one and focus on starting new excellent schools, providing both real estate and financial assistance to encourage small schools, charter schools, and other approaches to flourish and eventually come up with solutions that work in every troubled neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: DLW3</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-647</link>
		<dc:creator>DLW3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding of the proposal within this article is that it is contingent upon two key notions of reform: (1) School leaders need to have the same level of accountability as those in other professions--doctors, lawyers, etc... and (2) rather than rehabbing existing schools, we should utilize charters like KIPP and Green Dot to fill in the gaps.  I find this second half of the proposal puzzling as earlier in the article the author suggests that these charters don&#039;t have enough of a track record to become model of success, yet, at the same time, they are such an integral role of this reform model. 

What I see as left untouched here is consideration of a comprehensive vision of school and community reform.  While increasing accountability may lead to some terrible schools being closed and some, temporarily, effective charter schools to become more widespread, this solution doesn&#039;t account for the transformation of the environment within which the school is contained.  It won&#039;t make a difference whether KIPP or Green Dot takeover if in twenty years the needs an assets of communities continue to be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding of the proposal within this article is that it is contingent upon two key notions of reform: (1) School leaders need to have the same level of accountability as those in other professions&#8211;doctors, lawyers, etc&#8230; and (2) rather than rehabbing existing schools, we should utilize charters like KIPP and Green Dot to fill in the gaps.  I find this second half of the proposal puzzling as earlier in the article the author suggests that these charters don&#8217;t have enough of a track record to become model of success, yet, at the same time, they are such an integral role of this reform model. </p>
<p>What I see as left untouched here is consideration of a comprehensive vision of school and community reform.  While increasing accountability may lead to some terrible schools being closed and some, temporarily, effective charter schools to become more widespread, this solution doesn&#8217;t account for the transformation of the environment within which the school is contained.  It won&#8217;t make a difference whether KIPP or Green Dot takeover if in twenty years the needs an assets of communities continue to be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Pass</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-641</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Pass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, here&#039;s my one question: How do we take your theoretical ideas and put them into practice.  I agree with many of your points.  But, now what?

Andrew Pass
http://www.pass-ed.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, here&#8217;s my one question: How do we take your theoretical ideas and put them into practice.  I agree with many of your points.  But, now what?</p>
<p>Andrew Pass<br />
<a href="http://www.pass-ed.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pass-ed.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: dissenter</title>
		<link>http://educationnext.org/the-turnaround-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-634</link>
		<dc:creator>dissenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thought: you could argue that given the scarcity of reasources we need to pick between turnarounds and charter schools.  But I don&#039;t think that argument holds water.  Yes successful CMOs could probably use more moeny and this might help them expand - but isn&#039;t the real constraint human capital?  I&#039;m not sure diverting money away from turnaround efforts would fix that problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thought: you could argue that given the scarcity of reasources we need to pick between turnarounds and charter schools.  But I don&#8217;t think that argument holds water.  Yes successful CMOs could probably use more moeny and this might help them expand &#8211; but isn&#8217;t the real constraint human capital?  I&#8217;m not sure diverting money away from turnaround efforts would fix that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Dissenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dissenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy you&#039;re a fine writer, but what value does this article add?  Yes most turnarounds fail.  Yes there are amazing charter schools.  But what should be done as we wait for those amazing charter schools to reach scale?  Haven&#039;t we been waiting for them to expand for the last 10 years?  

Part of the reason these networks are successful is that they grow slowly and thoughtfully.  Given that fact we can&#039;t expect them to reach the kind of scale you&#039;re envisioning.  We need interventions because even though they might not work they&#039;re better than the alternative: NOTHING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy you&#8217;re a fine writer, but what value does this article add?  Yes most turnarounds fail.  Yes there are amazing charter schools.  But what should be done as we wait for those amazing charter schools to reach scale?  Haven&#8217;t we been waiting for them to expand for the last 10 years?  </p>
<p>Part of the reason these networks are successful is that they grow slowly and thoughtfully.  Given that fact we can&#8217;t expect them to reach the kind of scale you&#8217;re envisioning.  We need interventions because even though they might not work they&#8217;re better than the alternative: NOTHING.</p>
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		<dc:creator>VAR Partners &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Restarts beat turnarouns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] should do what we know works.  That&#8217;s the message from Andy Smarick in his important EdNext article, The Turnaround [...]</description>
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